tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post2617801079971111785..comments2023-06-17T06:42:27.316-07:00Comments on snow like thought: Woe menRachel Fentonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-61927997932058492012011-05-20T20:06:24.304-07:002011-05-20T20:06:24.304-07:00How bizarre - Dave's initial comment has now m...How bizarre - Dave's initial comment has now materialised.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-51693783787708517752011-05-19T17:13:15.642-07:002011-05-19T17:13:15.642-07:00Dave, don't apologise for challenging me - it&...Dave, don't apologise for challenging me - it's one of the things I like about you. What your comment did was show how logic can be applied for both positive and negative outcomes.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Dick - don't you think that the real worry comes when you think, if this is the information they are happy for us to know, what don't they want us to know? <br /><br />It's beyond reality.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-26697156790681494992011-05-19T09:05:29.037-07:002011-05-19T09:05:29.037-07:00Bizarre in the extreme, both.
In the wake of the...Bizarre in the extreme, both. <br /><br />In the wake of the ideological changes of the '70s and '80s, I had assumed an inevitability of socio-cultural change in respect of feminism. Trailing theory and proposition in the face of dogged male resistance, but with real change coming to pass in manifestation of the declaration that nothing has more power than an idea whose time has come. <br /><br />I would never has supposed that in 2011 it would be possible for a UK government minister to suggest that some rapes are less serious than others!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-73582831741861850412011-05-19T04:30:47.160-07:002011-05-19T04:30:47.160-07:00Point made. What more can I say? I didn't know...Point made. What more can I say? I didn't know about the Hilary Clinton business.Dave Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430484174826768488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-46261691393154290452011-05-17T01:06:42.745-07:002011-05-17T01:06:42.745-07:00I know, Nu, and even reading the online pages of &...I know, Nu, and even reading the online pages of "reputable" broadsheets gives much the same bias, suggesting such behaviour, were the allegations to prove true, would be permissable in France but not the US. And I got the impression the alleged perp was being described in such a way as made him the victim of a cultural difference of opinion. I could understand if the guy had been living under a pebble on Piha beach for the last hundred years, but are we supposed to assume the alleged victim is guilty on the grounds of lower status? <br /><br />Just realised I could probably write an essay on one news article alone.<br /><br />And have you noted the rise of witches in the press of late? It all feels a bit "haven't we been here before". Stop, I want to get off.<br /><br />Thanks.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-47717175358583631252011-05-16T10:10:55.491-07:002011-05-16T10:10:55.491-07:00Oh gosh, don't get me started... We have MILES...Oh gosh, don't get me started... We have MILES to go. The attitude of reporters to the IMF rape allegation has been uniform in its support of the accused. Disgusting.Group 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/07924947352624027079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-35978685775747900652011-05-15T02:20:40.619-07:002011-05-15T02:20:40.619-07:00Thanks, Talli :)Thanks, Talli :)Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-83389972017339672422011-05-15T02:06:11.184-07:002011-05-15T02:06:11.184-07:00Sad but true, Rachel. We still have a long way to ...Sad but true, Rachel. We still have a long way to go.Talli Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780882465745107715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-20411869580425144532011-05-13T14:07:11.201-07:002011-05-13T14:07:11.201-07:00Dave King has left a new comment on your post &quo...Dave King has left a new comment on your post "Woe men": <br /><br />"But if women haven't got it, then men haven't got it either. You can't have one way equality."<br /><br /><br />Dave - blogger crashed as I was moderating your comment - I apologise for it's migration into the ether, but the above is what you wrote, as copied and pasted from my email.<br /><br /> <br />Yours might be good reasoning if anyone had suggested that men already had equality - (missing the point that if they did then women would have no cause for complaint) but the point of the article links was that men have a disproportionately larger share of the power, power over women in, and therefore women will only benefit from equality - as will the men who already wish for equality, such as Steven, whereas men who enjoy more power, clearly, will come a cropper on some philosophical level if no other.<br /> <br />One way equality? What's that all about anyway? <br /> <br />To summarise/simplify and generalise:<br />Men and women do not have equality - men have power, women do not = Inequality. Now, back to your comment, Dave: neither men or women have equality. Agreed? OK, let's share.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-50374791026725303492011-05-12T07:25:13.266-07:002011-05-12T07:25:13.266-07:00But if women haven't got it, then men haven...But if women haven't got it, then men haven't got it either. You can't have one way equality.Dave Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430484174826768488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-57652787031160671822011-05-11T18:30:15.868-07:002011-05-11T18:30:15.868-07:00Robert, I note you're a libra - you should fin...Robert, I note you're a libra - you should find the balance - change will reward you.<br /><br />Thanks for the honesty.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-33312945922291240782011-05-11T18:17:58.165-07:002011-05-11T18:17:58.165-07:00Sometimes we change, or maybe its the other way ar...Sometimes we change, or maybe its the other way around. I'm not good with change. I have to change that!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17989947946488835186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-64345822969008189012011-05-11T14:34:07.867-07:002011-05-11T14:34:07.867-07:00Astrid, it's astounding just what passes for e...Astrid, it's astounding just what passes for entertainment. I was shocked the first time I heard NZ radio - both the presenters and the advertisements - and advertisers have been promoting us as products since the off. But we can change it. I'm disgusted that such a comment would be used, but as many people keep saying about these links - sadly not surprised!<br /><br />Thanks for commenting.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-46364412390814967422011-05-11T14:27:10.669-07:002011-05-11T14:27:10.669-07:00I think there's the tendency, with the first a...I think there's the tendency, with the first article, Helen, to assume times have changed, and in light of that assumption the second article is doubly shocking. We are simultaneously brought smack up to date and put back forty years +. Thanks for commenting.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-89913059931762605062011-05-11T08:43:38.094-07:002011-05-11T08:43:38.094-07:00Amazing but sadly it doesn't surprise. Over he...Amazing but sadly it doesn't surprise. Over here in Italy I dare say things are often worse - just turn on your television to any of Berlusconi's channels and you will see women degraded evening after evening as they shake their assets to entertain the folks at home. Here there is no respect for women and growing older gracefully is rarely addressed in the public realm. Quite infuriating to be told you need a boob job when you are fit and proportioned just a little on the slim side! ciao catchillcathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360989103518880339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-31588512603820168892011-05-11T06:42:24.279-07:002011-05-11T06:42:24.279-07:00I was absolutely horrified by the first article. S...I was absolutely horrified by the first article. Sadly, not surprised by the second one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-26782175699176515762011-05-10T20:38:59.312-07:002011-05-10T20:38:59.312-07:00I'm not one for getting depressed, Rachel - on...I'm not one for getting depressed, Rachel - onwards we go!<br /><br />Thanks for that quote - it's very interesting to me. I've read lots of papers about the re-writing of history, from varying perspectives, and this is an excellent one to add to my list. I have a bunch of essays I'm gathering material for,this topic is one of them.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-10703681702604924682011-05-10T16:10:45.938-07:002011-05-10T16:10:45.938-07:00Great quote I saw in a Bandelier National Monument...Great quote I saw in a Bandelier National Monument museum in New Mexico the other day (attributed to 'Affiliated Pueblo Committee' - 'pueblo' is name for lots of Native American groups in NM):<br /> "We are not here to make history. We are here to live and continue history".<br />It may not seem totally relevant to your post... especially his-not-herstory... but maybe you'll understand why I've added it.<br />xRachel Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803852725693518924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-71259599567402713092011-05-10T16:06:22.233-07:002011-05-10T16:06:22.233-07:00That thing about steps forward and back springs to...That thing about steps forward and back springs to mind... and for all the inequalities, not just this one. And I suppose either we get depressed or we fight on... or a bit of both.<br />xRachel Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803852725693518924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-11019512182745045232011-05-10T03:48:13.183-07:002011-05-10T03:48:13.183-07:00We are amazing, Lori - we are.
Personally, I thin...We are amazing, Lori - we are.<br /><br />Personally, I think we can chuck the vast majority of gender markers out of language - what exactly does he and she mean anyway? We are labeled as infants before we even know what words, he or she are. My child is two. A he who thinks everyone else is also a he, because he is! That's where it starts, this inequality and the potential to change it. Don't make our children's genders the be all and end all of them. Make then kind and happy children first. It's a place to start. <br /><br />I don't want to sound like some fanatic but i am sensitive to language and to the word choices people make - but not everybody is. Most people use language that, without their even realising, is casting assertions and judgements on people and discriminating in myriad paper cut ways. Things don't have to be as huge as these two articles mentioned to warrent needing change. But people do have to start thinking before they speak - "look before you leap"; that's as old as any book.<br /><br />And I'm glad you get something from reading this blog/comments - that makes me feel like I'm not wasting my time completely!Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-20145260640463931442011-05-10T03:28:06.268-07:002011-05-10T03:28:06.268-07:00I love reading all the comments on your blog, Rach...I love reading all the comments on your blog, Rachel. <br />And the two stories are so angering that I barely dare to think about them. I am only thinking now how men are also kneeling under societal pressure that molds them into what they need to be, and how difficult it is to figure out what is moving the whole mechanism, what makes it unstoppable, unchangeable, and so unforgiving. The thing is the personal example and individual voice are the only tools we can use. But going against the machine means so much suffering. Who wants that? How many will ever choose that? ... Well, sometimes people do. We are, after all, quite an amazing species.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17708851895104018255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-74467758645182038872011-05-10T02:15:00.254-07:002011-05-10T02:15:00.254-07:00Thomas - I think that newspaper should change its ...Thomas - I think that newspaper should change its name to The Crazy Times! It is utterly ridiculous - to the point where I was studying the clip to see if they had bothered to paste in some background - like a chair or someone's legs - where they had cut out Hilary!<br /><br />I still can't believe it's real. I've been hoping another story would appear saying it was a hoax but I've not seen anything yet.Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-64152188282512802622011-05-10T02:10:38.489-07:002011-05-10T02:10:38.489-07:00I'm guessing, JoAnne, we became chattels aroun...I'm guessing, JoAnne, we became chattels around about the time marriage came in...when exactly was that? Property of a gentleman and all that. We can point the finger at various sites, religion or any form of social control (including our daily language - actor/actress, waiter/waitress/ seamstress/? - guess that one wasn't meant for men at all - I could go on and on..), but the fact is it will continue unless we all change it. Where it started is less important than where it ends and I don't like the look of where this is going. <br /><br />The thing that's wrong with feminism is that, as a movement, the reasearch it has unveiled has shown that it is not narrow enough to be stuffed into such a narrow costume of a term. It smacks of binary opposition. I'm not for chastising men about the disrespect dished out for women. I'm about empowering men and women to respect one another on equal terms. That is the only way forward. Men are products just as women are of the society we allow to dictate the stupid conditions we all suffer under. Developed world is just a joke. But you're spot on - people react to feminism as though feminists are extremists - but worse than that, feminism has, sadly and all too often, become an arena for women to attack other women, a keep the women busy at each other's throats forum. The wor[l]d needs a reboot!Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-994432892075543972011-05-10T02:05:37.534-07:002011-05-10T02:05:37.534-07:00That first story is disturbing, but the second is ...That first story is disturbing, but the second is downright bizarre!Thomas Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12987047131104943571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3573472801176728225.post-2064867344488244572011-05-10T01:47:45.275-07:002011-05-10T01:47:45.275-07:00Sara - the Herald cites this:
"Rabbi Jason Mi...Sara - the Herald cites this:<br />"Rabbi Jason Miller wrote for The Jewish Week that Der Tzitung does not include images of women in print "because it could be considered sexually suggestive."<br /><br />You tell me how Hilary Clinton's presence in that room could possibly be "sexually suggestive"?<br /><br />And, you know, why not? Magazines and ad agencies "tweak" women's images all the time. An inch or five off the waist here, a slither of thigh there. Hey, what do you know, we can just air brush the whole body out! Are women also not allowed to read that newspaper to protect their modesty?Rachel Fentonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046917627054462214noreply@blogger.com